People keep trying to tell me there is no attacks on the Christian faith.

Christian's tell me that I am being to vocal causing trouble for some of them.

Wake up people it is time to take a stand !

Are we going to roll over or put on the armour of God and fight for our beliefs and our freedom !

My Bible goes wherever I go and that is just the way it is.

Christian's need to unite and draw a line in the sand and tell the Aclu or whoever the enemy "No More" !

A teacher, a coach, and a student have religious freedoms stripped away

The rights of Christians are under attack again! Consider what has happened just in the last week:

In New Jersey, East Brunswick High School officials told football coach Marcus Borden he cannot kneel and bow his head while members of his team have a student-led pre-game prayer. (source)

In Wisconsin's Tomah Area School District, a teacher refused to give a student identified only as A.T. a grade on an art project because his work included "John 3:16" as well as "A sign of love." However, Buddha, Hindu and sorcerers are considered "approved" forms of art by the school. (source)

In Mt. Vernon, Ohio, school leaders told teacher John Freshwater he must put his Bible out of sight when students are in his room. Mr. Freshwater has refused to do so. He has had a Bible on his desk for the past 18 years. (source)

Our religious freedoms are slowly being taken away, mainly because Christians have not taken a stand! People of faith are being forced to remain silent while other religions are accepted in the name of "tolerance."

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No, your religious freedom is not slowly being taken away. The supreme court has been very clear on this that in public schools, no religion shall be favored over another. It's the essential piece of the establishment clause of the first amendment. I, as an agnostic tax payer, do not want any religion favored in my public schools.

Christians need not take a stand. If you disagree with the essentials of the first amendment and the establishment clause, you're more than welcome to move to a proper theocracy like Iran. Lest you forget the reason this country was founded: religious freedom. Teachers, administrators, coaches, and staff at public schools are in a position of power. Such positions of power can be abused when schools are to be religiously neutral.

And in the Freshwater case, many people are claiming it's his right to keep the bible on his desk, as it's a piece of personal property. Would you agree, then, that a two-headed dildo, also a piece of personal property, would have a similar honor on a teacher's desk? I find the bible as repugnant as many people may view a sex toy. The ONLY way to make sure the school is in line with the first amendment is to have Freshwater comply with their requests. Moreover, as other details arise, this guy appears to be a complete nutjob who drank the koolaid long ago. The school board is doing the right thing in investigating his improper behavior.

Honestly, I can't believe the persecution complex you Christians appear to have developed. No one's out to get you. I suppose, though, with all intellectual argument removed from the realm of possibility (e.g. "Look at this beautiful landscape! I wonder how the geography of this place developed." Christian answer: "Magic Man done it."), you have nothing better to do with your time than complain that you're "freedoms" are under attack. They're not. Move on.

Dunkirk99,

Do you live here in Shelbyville?

Evil Monkey,

Does that matter?

But no.

Michael,

You carry your bible with you everywhere you go. Open it and read where it says that the world will love Christ and all religions will worship God. Read where it says that there will be no anti-christs in the last days to go out and deceive the people. Read where it says not to gather in His name and pray for the sinners. And above all read where it tells you to entangle yourself back into the worldly things. And don't forget to read about living and worrying about tomorrow, because it may never come.

My bible doesn't say those things. It tells me that these things WILL HAPPEN and not to worry about the problems of the world. We are not of the world. All you can do is teach your children the word of God and hope for the best. If they accept Christ then they will grow in Christ if you continue to teach them.

It is BEST if the schools don't teach them any religion, but we know they will be exposed to other religions just like they are to drugs and sex. If we bring them up right theyshould do fine.

Schools are run by the Federal Government because they get financial help from the Government. Just like churches who get involved in politics or get financial help from the U.S. Government or state gov. can lose their non-profit status.

You can not change what has been prophesied for years! You are wanting Christ to return but you want to stop everything from happening so He won't return.

You have to let go and watch it happen and hope you have been taught the truth.

Talking about it isn't gonna change anything. You don't want to change anything that would prevent Christ from returning and destroying the enemy.

Teach what is to come and how to live thru it.

No, your religious freedom is not slowly being taken away. The supreme court has been very clear on this that in public schools, no religion shall be favored over another. It's the essential piece of the establishment clause of the first amendment. I, as an agnostic tax payer, do not want any religion favored in my public schools.

Christians need not take a stand. If you disagree with the essentials of the first amendment and the establishment clause, you're more than welcome to move to a proper theocracy like Iran. Lest you forget the reason this country was founded: religious freedom. Teachers, administrators, coaches, and staff at public schools are in a position of power. Such positions of power can be abused when schools are to be religiously neutral.

And in the Freshwater case, many people are claiming it's his right to keep the bible on his desk, as it's a piece of personal property. Would you agree, then, that a two-headed dildo, also a piece of personal property, would have a similar honor on a teacher's desk? I find the bible as repugnant as many people may view a sex toy. The ONLY way to make sure the school is in line with the first amendment is to have Freshwater comply with their requests. Moreover, as other details arise, this guy appears to be a complete nutjob who drank the koolaid long ago. The school board is doing the right thing in investigating his improper behavior.

Honestly, I can't believe the persecution complex you Christians appear to have developed. No one's out to get you. I suppose, though, with all intellectual argument removed from the realm of possibility (e.g. "Look at this beautiful landscape! I wonder how the geography of this place developed." Christian answer: "Magic Man done it."), you have nothing better to do with your time than complain that you're "freedoms" are under attack. They're not. Move on.

-- Posted by Dunkirk99 on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 9:10 AM

You comment said everything I was going to say..BRAVO!! Awesome comment and glad to have you on these blogs.

I am still giggling about the comparison of the Bible and the sexual toy.

That is just so wrong . . .

I daresay there are fools trying to inhibit people of faith-just as there are people trying to cram religion down the throats of people who don't embrace their doctrines.

It's sad that some people can't trust their ideologies enough to think their worth would be self-evident.

They can't assume that the good they produce would be enough to garner them followers.

Instead,they have to force-feed their ideas and remove the "competition".

(Or maybe they think the rest of us are too stupid to look for truth and make sound judgements for ourselves?)

I'd suggest politely ignoring that type,if possible and discouraging them legally if sterner measures are required.

(YES! Set the ACLU and any other appropriate agencies on their arrogant backsides.)

Of course,not all the people crippling free thought are uppity.

Some are so cowardly and anxious to appease everybody that they wind up annoying everyone.

This is where common sense,courtesy and stubborness kick in.

If we are tenacious and respectful in living our beliefs,we can be loyal to our standards and even proselytize without being offensive and disruptive.

If a few insist on being offended and disrupted,we can take the consequences.

("Why were you fired/expelled? Drugs? Weapons? Sexual Harassment?"

"No. I had 'Jesus' written on my backpack."

"And they thought that would be unfair to the non-Christians around you."

"I guess-I took my name off my backpack but I just couldn't get used to answering to 'Miguel'.)

Sometimes,being censured is the only way to be sure you're doing something right.

We need to look at our critics and see if we are offered counsel by those we should respect or being trashed by the destructive.

As for "personal property",maybe teachers and students should save all sorts of pleasurable stimulants until after the schoolwork is done.

(If either chooses the one that can be obtained for free and never runs out of Power over the other,that's their business.)

In either case,we don't need to have folks deny parts of their lives or confront us with them.

Just let us draw our own conclusions by their smiles.

This is going to be way off subject but I wanted to put it here because I know everyone will probably see it...

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I just had this sent to me from someone today.

I am still giggling about the comparison of the Bible and the sexual toy.

That is just so wrong . . .

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 11:58 AM

Thanks. I was actually giggling myself when I wrote it. When people come after me with either, I'll gladly tell them where to shove it.

"Need I Say More"? - question asked by Michael Bell.

My response- no, but that hasn't stopped you thus far.

"Need I Say More"? - question asked by Michael Bell.

If ONLY you left it at that...

I t is good to see the old gang back .

I guess the devils don't stay away for long do they?

I say something that offends them and they get all riled up and make stupid comparisions.

But me as as a CHRISTIAN is supposed to let people and groups run over us I won't just lay down and be walked on.

As far as the comparision of your pleasure device you are a sick individuals.

They are beyond sick.

I have to keep reminding myself that only the swine perished and that same evil spirit is still taking up residence in people today.

Only a little longer until the sickle is laid to the ground.

I'll gladly tell them where to shove it.

-- Posted by Dunkirk99 on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 3:21 PM

You would probably prefer it in you if you are like most of the sick ones.

Tell em' like it is Brother Parker !

You would probably prefer it in you if you are like most of the sick ones.-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 5:48 PM

What I do in my personal life is none of your concern. Likewise, what John Freshwater believes and does in his personal life has no place in the public classroom. He should just put the bible away and do his job.

I say something that offends them and they get all riled up and make stupid comparisions. But me as as a CHRISTIAN is supposed to let people and groups run over us I won't just lay down and be walked on. As far as the comparision of your pleasure device you are a sick individuals. -- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Michael, no, your comments don't offend me nor am I riled up. I'm stating plain facts regarding past Supreme Court decisions and the letter of our Constitution. You instead ramble on about how you perceive your persecution. Imagine my position: I live in a country where the majority of the population are christian, my money tells me "in god we trust" (something it did not originally say), and my Pledge of Allegience has the phrase "under god" in it, something it also didn't have originally. From my point of view, my country is on the path to theocracy, something you nutjobs would absolutely love to see. And yes, you as a christian have absolutely no right to enter the public school system and push your religion. You already have ways of indoctrinating minors into your cults. Please stick to those.

As for the comparison, I found it to be very appropriate. Would you expect a teacher's personal property, regardless of what it is and no matter how offensive to others, to be immune from school policy? Personally, I find the violence in the bible to be quite offensive. Would you support a teacher leaving the Quran on their desk? The point is that students who don't believe in your fairy tales might be intimidated when asking questions or interacting with the teacher because of his beliefs. It's a much better educational system when those in power remain neutral with respect to religion.

Oh, if only rapture were real - it would relieve this world of a whole bunch of anti-intellectuals who have nothing better to do than wait for the end times. Take your eschatology and shove it.

Just making A comment!

If all the politicians were as much of A Christian as they said they were when they were trying to get elected.A lot of this mess wouldn't be going on.

I agree sand flea.

Dunkirk99nsince you don't believe in Heaven you must not believe in Hell either.

That does not change the fact that they exist.

Take one guess where your not going.

That is my point, if a teacher did leave the Quran on the desk nothing would be said.

It mighy offend the Muslims , the heck with the Muslims.

How about the Judeo - Christians who live work and die here , do we not matter anymore?

The Title of your blog...NEED I SAY MORE

NO YOU DON'T NEED TO SAY MORE, but I sure would love to read more of what Dunkirk99 has to say. LOVE YOUR COMMENTS!!

and michael for you to insinuate that Dunkirk99 is or is not going to heaven means you are judging this person, that is not your job because I know you are not God and only GOD can judge. And putting yourself in God's shoes means you aren't headed in the direction you think you are either

>>Dunkirk99nsince you don't believe in Heaven you must not believe in Hell either. That does not change the fact that they exist.

Prove it.

>>Take one guess where your not going.

Prove it.

>>That is my point, if a teacher did leave the Quran on the desk nothing would be said. It mighy offend the Muslims , the heck with the Muslims.

No, I'd be as upset about a Quran in a classroom as a bible. To me they're all fairy tales that have absolutely no place in a public school science classroom. Creationism is not science, nor is intelligent design. Pure, unverifiable, untestable fiction.

>>How about the Judeo - Christians who live work and die here , do we not matter anymore?-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 9:16 PM

Oh, you matter. Just not more than any of the rest of us, which is why NEUTRALITY is important in the public schools. In your initial entry, you talk as if you matter more than others, almost as if you want to incite a riot against anyone that thinks differently than you. You cry foul when your religion is ousted from the public schools. You cry foul when other religions are also in the schools. I cry foul when any ideology that isn't related to the curriculum is pushed upon students as truth when there's no evidence. "Do we not matter anymore?" presents a false scenario and is misleading; whether you matter or not has no bearing on what a public school teacher is allowed to teach in the schools.

I t is good to see the old gang back .

I guess the devils don't stay away for long do they?

I say something that offends them and they get all riled up and make stupid comparisions.

But me as as a CHRISTIAN is supposed to let people and groups run over us I won't just lay down and be walked on.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Hmm, isn't that EXACTLY what you do? I just told you to do what you say you are going to do, "Need I say More?"... That should not be followed by another riot provoking incoherent blog.

This completly blows my mind. I cant believe some of the things im hearing. Michael is right about christians being persecuted. If Michael were Muslim then all of you would be saying, "oh, he is so brave". We christians are not trying to force our theology on anyone, we are just saying that other religions should not be held as non-offensive but ours is to be the most offensive. To compare our Bible to a sex toy is one of the most offensive, vulgar, and childish things I have ever heard. I understand that its the "in" thing to do, like feeding the christians to the lions again, but come on. If I made a statement like that about the Koran I would probably be arrested. A guy urinated on the Koran and got arrested for a hate crime, (before you say my claims are unbased).

Michael,

I cant believe some christians are telling you that you are to vocal. You should ask them where in the Bible it says to spread just a little of the Gospel. They should be ashamed. You are right it is time to unite.

Ooops!

Constitution Of The State Of Tennessee

page 550 TENNESSEE BLUE BOOK

ARTICLE IX

Disqualifications.

Section 1. Whereas ministers of the Gospel are by their profession, dedicated to God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their functions; therefore, no minister of the Gospel, or priest of any denomination whatever, shall be eligible to a seat in either House of the Legislature.

Section 2. No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

Show me ANYWHERE in Tennessee or in the United States where Christianity has been less prominently displayed than any other religion...

I went to Community High School, and I can guarantee you there were Christian groups ever so present, before during and after school... Many teachers openly expressed their faith. You people are fearing things that are not happening.

Seriously though, if you wish to envoke the right of state sponsored religion, take a trip back pre Revolutionary times, or hell even visit N. Korea, Iran, etc etc etc. That's precisely why ALL religions should be excluded from public sanctions. Or you could always go back to burning people at the stake.

Michael, one last thing. If you really think your right to worship is being taken away, consider this. Ten years ago, you probably didn't have the internet, nor any other instant forms of expressing your thoughts, now you do. In THIS country. You, by far have not lost a single right. Mind you, none of the religious things you see in the pledge, on the coins, etc were introduced until the 1950s, now tell me, when was this country founded. Hmm, nearly 200 years prior to that.

Section 2. No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 10:00 PM

Do you think there was a specific God in mind when this was written? I would imagine they were referring to the Christian God who sent his son Christ.

Michael, one last thing.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 10:02 PM

If only tis were true...

greasemonkey

I have to agree with you. That comment is the worst I have heard in my lifetime and I have heard some bad ones. Maybe it is the full moon we have had that brings this out of some.

You are also right in your comment about Michael voicing his concerns. The problem is not with him being too vocal but instead the problem is with everyone else not being vocal enough. Christians laying over and quitely allowing the wrong to gain acceptance has undermined everything.

parkerbrothers

That's the only God I know! That's the same God on our money isn't it that says in God we trust? We took this country from the King of England and the Bible translation from the king of England and even the Common Law from England.

I have never know any other God and that's how my God likes it. Me too!

Michael & others be encouraged!

John 16:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefor the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord, If they have persecuted me,they will also persecute you;if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

2Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God,should shine unto them.

They don't know any better!

Dunkirk99,

As smart and enlightened as you are, can you disprove intelligent design or creationism? I find it much harder to believe that "BANG!" everything just kinda came into existence. Thats what sounds like fiction to me, pure unverifiable, untestable fiction. Can you also prove that there are no Heaven or Hell.

"The rights of Christians are under attack again! Consider what has happened just in the last week:"

All of those incidents didn't happen in the last week. You wrote a blog about the Wisconsin incident three weeks ago, and the Marcus Borden case has been going on since 2005. So, get your facts straight and stop exaggerating.

"If I made a statement like that about the Koran I would probably be arrested. A guy urinated on the Koran and got arrested for a hate crime, (before you say my claims are unbased)."

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Your claims are unbased. Are you referring to the guy that put the Korans in toilets, or a different one?

>>Dunkirk99,

>>As smart and enlightened as you are, can you disprove intelligent design or creationism? I find it much harder to believe that "BANG!" everything just kinda came into existence. Thats what sounds like fiction to me, pure unverifiable, untestable fiction. Can you also prove that there are no Heaven or Hell.-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 12:28 AM

Perhaps you don't understand what science is. The demarcation surrounding science is fairly clear and includes stipulations that theories must be 1) consistent, 2) parsimonious, 3) useful, 4) empirically testable and falsifiable, 5) based on multiple observations, often in the form of controlled, repeated experiments, 6) correctable and dynamic, 7) progressive, and 8) Provisional or tentative. Intelligent design and creationism lack consistency, violate the principle of parsimony, are not scientifically useful, are not falsifiable, are not empirically testable, and are not correctable, dynamic, tentative or progressive. This is why it has no place in a science classroom. But no, to answer your question, I'm not able to disprove either because both require faith, something that science does not ask of me. Both cannot be tested or falsified. This is why I call myself an agnostic rather than an atheist; it's an extremely weak position to claim that you 100% know for certain that there is or isn't a god. My position is that neither is testable so I have absolutely no way of knowing for certain and neither do you. Even famed "atheist" and biologist Richard Dawkins acknowledges this point.

But here's the important thing: both evolution and the big bang theories (and I mean theory in the scientific sense, not just "some idea") have held up to generations of scientists trying to disprove them. And I hope this doesn't come across as elitism, because I don't mean it to, but understanding the big bang takes a lot of knowledge of quantum physics. Physicists and atronomers have a good deal of evidence for the big bang. It's something that's testable and, with increased technology, almost reproducible.

parkerbrothers

That's the only God I know! That's the same God on our money isn't it that says in God we trust? We took this country from the King of England and the Bible translation from the king of England and even the Common Law from England.

I have never know any other God and that's how my God likes it. Me too!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 11:47 PM

1) Too bad it took nearly 200 years after the establishment of the Constitution and our Independance to include the words "In God We Trust" on the money. It doesn't matter how many times my money says God's name on it, doesn't mean I spend it the way he wishes, and I am SURE nobody else does either. I mean after all, look at how corrupt our own government spends "In God We Trust". Something like 9 trillion "In God We Trust" debt. I am sure our inability to enact fiscal responsibility proves satisfactory to God. We live in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, yet also have the highest in the entire world, one of the highest poverty rates among developed countries, lack adequate healthcare for children, elderly, and veterans, and spend in scrupously on foreign wars. I think instead of our money saying "In God We Trust", perhaps our leaders and everyday citizens should insert some action into their verbage.

2)We didn't take this country from England, we took this country from people who already inhabited it.

"In 1493, Columbus STOLE all he could see."

Lastly, I trust and believe in God with all my heart and have been substantially blessed by him. However, I there is no meaningful difference between currency that says "In God We Trust" and currencty that leaves it off. In fact, there are other currencies that are crippling ours, and I'm not so sure they say anything about God.

Unique-Lies

That was an interesting post you made on the Tennessee Constitution. I got up this morning and was reading through some of the Tennessee Constitution. It is apparrent to me that it was assummed then that Tennessee was a Christian State. There was no other religion in mind when the constitution was written. I do not think there was even any consideration given to the fact of there ever existing anything but a Christian religion at the time the Constitution was written. Perhaps our forefathers were addressing freedoms within Christianity itself when they mention the freedom of religion. Perhaps they were only trying to afford people the right to choose what denomination or church or time of worship within Christianity itself instead of addressing what God they choose. It appears that there was a general acceptance as Christianity as the only religion of this Country and they were not trying to afford anyone the right to worship Mohhamad or Budda or anything other false God. Instead they were only trying to protect the rights of people to worship the only true and living God that existed in their minds and hearts as they choose. I do not think their intentions was to protect anyone other than a Christian.

I honestly believe if we could bring these writers back to life today and let them comment on what they were actually trying to convey they would without question say they never meant for it to be anything but a Christian State in Tennessee. I believe if they could make a choice today they would drive everyone but a Christian out of the State of Tennessee. It is quite apparrant from the disqualification section of the Constitution that they valued the GOSPEL. It is easy to see that they would not allow anything but a Christian to hold office and that the value of a minister of the gospel was so important that they could not hold office. Truly amazing that we have allowed anything but Christianity in Tennessee with a Constitution like this we have.

I have watched the "blog board" discussing religion and I am saddened by what I read. I do not believe that one is adhering to his faith when he is disrespectful to another man's practice. I have considered responding, but I am advised that you cannot speak to a person who chooses to close his ears. It is also against my practice of faith to tell others how to walk their path.

I grew up in a house where six different practices of religion were observed. I had the privilege of watching as those people went about their lives, living the tenets of their faith and respecting each other's practices. I learned that when the practices of the different faiths were stripped away the core values were exactly the same -- God a loving Father.

I also learned that people in my family, when still residing in Europe twice faced the persecution of their beliefs by established state religions. The first time was in the 1500's when a religious practice arose and my family chose to follow it. The practice called for men to live in peace and to work towards the "new Jerusalem." They believed that each man had a personal and singular relationship with God and that all were sons and daughters of that God. Some called them Gnostics and some called them Palatinates. But all called them heretics for not following the established religions. They were hunted down and killed; those that survived continued their practice in private while attending the established churches.

The second time was in the 1900's in Germany where a portion of my family resided. This time they followed their beliefs and spoke out against the persecution of the Jews. They were found by the established government not to meet the Aryan criteria of a good and perfect German -- 17 family members died in the death camps. They were not practicing Jews, but because they spoke out for them they were deemed to be the same as Jews and thus merited the same fate.

I am reluctant to speak out and I keep my practices to myself but how can a person remain silent when we have a loving Father and are part of the family of man. I was shown, by example, that we all are God's children. He does not love some of us more than others, but loves us equally. I didn't clearly understand a parent's love until I became one myself. Children in the same family are not the same, they have different needs and as a result to be loved equally, one loves them according to their needs. So I believe it is with God. Children in the same family do not always agree, they argue. As a parent one teaches them to be respectful of their differences. I believe that is the same with our Father he wants us to be respectful of each other. "Judge not, lest ye also be judged."

I cannot say how the end will be, but each of us must answer for our words and deeds. We cannot stand before Judgment and say the preacher said it was all right. We cannot do good deeds for the sake of being perceived as good -- they must come from the heart. For it is what in our heart's that will be judged, not words, not empty deeds. Our Father doesn't expect us to be the same and He would find no joy in having man's interpretation of His Will forced on others. We go to Our Father of our own free will and none of us here can judge or force that Will upon another.

When someone says or does something that you feel is overbearing, walk away, say nothing -- one does not know that person's heart. A man cannot be forced to follow another man's path to "salvation." Each of us walks alone with the Father as our personal guide to get where we need to be.

Let each man walk his path, if he asks you for guidance provide it. Understand that he is not you and may not do it exactly your way. If not asked, then live your life in such a manner and with joy such that others may want to follow the path you have chosen. After all isn't that what Jesus did?

parkerbrothers

Yes I would say so.

If I remember correctly I was taught that there were wars over Catholic and non Catholic Religions in the old days. Seems that they were trying to force Catholic Religion on everyone. They were up in arms about it. When they were finally able to migrate over here to America, they wanted to make sure that anyone could worship any religion they wanted to. I think they were only thinking about not being forced to worship in the Catholic Religion.

Anyway the first thing that they agreed on when they came up with the Bill of Rights was their religion. They put it above all else and made it the 1st Article of the Bill of Rights.

This was like 400 years after America was discovered, so they more than likely had the same Jehovah God, but several denominations here even at that time and wanted to preverse their right to worship in any of them.

Bill of Rights

Article I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Dunkirk99

You appear to be way, way smarter than me, so please forgive my ignorance, but I have to know?

You must be in the science field of some kind with your knowledge, so maybe you can answer these simple questions for me.

"The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter in all directions.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery." (Sorry, I got that from the internet)

This is saying that they suggested the big bang because distant galaxies are traveling away from earth at great speeds and the radiation found in 1964. So why are rocks, meteors, stars and asteroids traveling in a direction that earth has to worry about being hit by one?

The thing that gets me the most is how these scientists can tell us all about life on this planet 500 million years ago and can even put a name on a skeleton of some pile of bones that belonged to some Dinasour that existed millions of years ago, but can not tell us how the pyramids were built, who made the wild looking designs on the mountain top in Nazca, Peru. The Nazca lines, what were they, UFO landing sites or a pathway to the heavens and the gods? What about the statues and columns on Easter Island that look like people from outerspace?

Scientists can't tell us anything that would be of any use to us, only things like the number and names of Galaxies, Planets, Constellations, Stars and Asteroids in the solar system that no one can prove right or wrong. Isn't that how the Bible was written? The world doesn't believe the Bible but we are suppose to believe anything and everything Scientists tell us?

What if the Big Bang created the earth how did it get populated with all the people. Did the big bang create life from a nutron? I don't think so.

But wait! If the Big Bang didn't create the people then the scientists must convence us that we evolved from apes. Okay! Did Darwin ever say where the apes came from in his theory of evelution? I don't think he did. I think he just knew they existed from the beginning of time, you know like maybe God created them 500 million years ago. Sorry, I don't remember reading about that story in the bible.

I know, maybe some scientist cloned the apes way back when.

And the best part is... in a couple years it all changes. Look at Globle Warming! Scientist say it is happening, but the other half of the scientists are saying it isn't. Now who are we suppose to believe? I choose my God to believe over any scientist.

Faith is believing in something that hasn't happened yet. That is what God is all about. Take that away and you have nothing. Well, actually you have the scientists and their theories.

Please tell me why no scientist can prove when Christ was Crucified. There were signs in the stars and an eclipse that day and even an earthquake. Is it because it happen only approximately 2,000 years ago and not 20 billion years ago. God recreated this earth 6,134 years ago. How hard can that be to prove for educated scientists?

I hope I wasn't too mean. That wasn't my intention.

1) Too bad it took nearly 200 years after the establishment of the Constitution and our Independance to include the words "In God We Trust" on the money.

Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 7:17 AM

Maybe that is because it took nearly 200 years before we forgot that it is "In God We Trust".

parkerbrothers

I am sorry to tell you this, but if the original framers of the US Constitution were here today they would take their muskets and run the whole lot of us out of America for the things our government has done to us.

The biggest thing was creating two different governments with two classes of citizens in this country then taking the Gold and silver away from the people and exchanging it for Federal Reserve Notes that are not redeemable in gold nor silver. They are only backed up by the (good credit?) of the United States and the productivity of the American People.

Tell me they wouldn't start another revolution to take back "their" country. And I believe they would let us know right fast that they said we have a right to worship "ANY" religion we wanted to in this country. God gave us a free will and the framers saw to it that they didn't take our free will away either. They were real christian people. When I read the constitution, I can see that they prayed before they made any decision about what to put in the constitution. The State Constitution is the same way.

Unique, that's one big post! I'll reply line by line. Hope it's easier to read that way.

>>You must be in the science field of some kind with your knowledge, so maybe you can answer these simple questions for me.

Yes, I'm a student of botany and currently am employed as a microbiology research assistant.

>> (Copy and paste about the big bang snipped for size) This is saying that they suggested the big bang because distant galaxies are traveling away from earth at great speeds and the radiation found in 1964. So why are rocks, meteors, stars and asteroids traveling in a direction that earth has to worry about being hit by one?

Because earth and the solar system are tiny, tiny little blips inside the Milky Way galaxy. Those other galaxies are moving away from our relative position from within the galexy, which we're rotating around the center of. Each galexy is composed of numerous star systems, which are themselves composed of planets, planetoids, asteroids, etc. Leftovers from star formation. The reason we have to worry about stray asteroids hitting us is that the relative gravity of our sun and planet can draw stray objects, those leftovers, in toward us. Remember, we're not the center of the galexy or the universe! Collectively, our galexy is moving away from where the big bang happened. And relative to our movement, other galexies are moving much faster, which is how we can tell that the universe is expanding.

>>The thing that gets me the most is how these scientists can tell us all about life on this planet 500 million years ago and can even put a name on a skeleton of some pile of bones that belonged to some Dinasour that existed millions of years ago, but can not tell us how the pyramids were built, who made the wild looking designs on the mountain top in Nazca, Peru. The Nazca lines, what were they, UFO landing sites or a pathway to the heavens and the gods? What about the statues and columns on Easter Island that look like people from outerspace?

Well, that's more archeology and way outside my field, but I do believe most of those have relatively good explanations that are supported by evidence. I won't go into detail, that's for you to do if you're interested in each of those phenomena. Simple fact is that we have technology that's able to "see" into the past - the farther away a galexy is, the farther back in time you're looking. Recently, galexies that existed as early as a couple hundred million years after the big bang were detected and observed. Fossils can be dated with precision accuracy because of radioactivity decay and prominent events in the soil strata, such as the K-T boundary. The simple fact is that the ones you listed enjoy a popular mythology as "unsolved" in popular culture, but the science and anthropology behind them is sound. Mysteries remain, but civilizations don't often leave us blueprints. And as far as I know, we have no technology that can illuminate why or how past civilizations did things - all we can do is educated guesswork with evidence to support our hypotheses.

>>Scientists can't tell us anything that would be of any use to us, only things like the number and names of Galaxies, Planets, Constellations, Stars and Asteroids in the solar system that no one can prove right or wrong. Isn't that how the Bible was written? The world doesn't believe the Bible but we are suppose to believe anything and everything Scientists tell us?

Science is based on evidence and testable, falsifiable hypotheses. The bible is a quasi-accurate piece of history embellished and written over 300 years after the events occurred. It's hardly the same.

>>What if the Big Bang created the earth how did it get populated with all the people. Did the big bang create life from a nutron? I don't think so.

There are several theories on how life began. It's a completely different subject that I'm not all that familiar with. Google "RNA world" for one hypothesis I know off the top of my head. It's plausible that life originated on earth because of an asteroid. We certainly gained a lot of water that way.

>>But wait! If the Big Bang didn't create the people then the scientists must convence us that we evolved from apes. Okay! Did Darwin ever say where the apes came from in his theory of evelution? I don't think he did. I think he just knew they existed from the beginning of time, you know like maybe God created them 500 million years ago. Sorry, I don't remember reading about that story in the bible.

Um, no. The big bang certainly never "created people." Microbial life began on earth and we evolved from it. You don't seem to understand the process of evolution. A good book to review would be "Song of the Dodo" by David Quammen. Charming book. Not heavy at all. We certainly did evolve from apes, which evolved from ... and on and on back to microbes. Let's not confuse fiction with science here, again. You didn't read about evolution in the bible because it's a comforting fairy tale.

>>I know, maybe some scientist cloned the apes way back when. And the best part is... in a couple years it all changes. Look at Globle Warming! Scientist say it is happening, but the other half of the scientists are saying it isn't. Now who are we suppose to believe? I choose my God to believe over any scientist.

Certainly not half. A handful, mostly those paid by oil industries, are questioning the science of global warming. I welcome it. So far global warming seems to be standing up to the test of their questioning.

>>Please tell me why no scientist can prove when Christ was Crucified. There were signs in the stars and an eclipse that day and even an earthquake. Is it because it happen only approximately 2,000 years ago and not 20 billion years ago. God recreated this earth 6,134 years ago. How hard can that be to prove for educated scientists?

The bible is not all literal truth. Much of what's written is symbolism. Worse, translated or possibly mistranslated symbolism. Most scientists don't care when the possibly fictional human named Jesus was crucified. Lots of people were crucified. "God recreated this earth 6,134 years ago." What's that supposed to mean? You don't seriously believe that? I'm sorry, but there's a 9,950 year old tree in northern Europe that begs to differ with your estimate.

>>I hope I wasn't too mean. That wasn't my intention. -- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 10:33 AM

Not at all. I love a good debate. Cheers.

Dunkirk99

Thanks for the response but even you don't have the answers I was looking for because I need to go to some other scientist to get that answer.

I understand because I don't have all the answers either. I appreciate you taking the time to answer.

If I understand the Big Boom Theory correctly it reaccurs every so many years, like 20 billion years or so. If this is true then it is about time for another Big Boom to destroy earth and this whole universe and recreate another one and yet the fall out, so to speak, is still traveling away from earth yet the sun and earth are pulling things back towards earth.

Well actually that isn't true because the scientist have not only counted ever tiny, tiny little blip in outer space, but put names on them and have stated that there is no known blip, star, rock, etc. that is in a path headed straight for the earth that they know of. yet I hear today that scientist think the earth may be destroyed by a meteorite hitting earth. No, I believe they say another ice age will destroy the earth because of this Global Warming. But wait, I remember now, it will be destroyed by a nuclear war.

That reminds me, How did the Dinosaurs die? I heard they froze to death and starved to death in the last ice age, but then the scientist changed all their theories, because their theories must have been inaccute, and said a huge meteorite hit Mexico and destroyed all life on the planet about 65 million years ago.

So now we hear that all Life on the earth was destroyed about 65 million years ago. This is billions of years after the Big Boom.

well, now we are back where we started from. How did life start all over again. Did we have another Big Boom that I didn't hear about or did some mico organism or fungus grow into something like a cock roach then start evolving until it became an ape then the ape evolved into tada...Man?

I'm not a scientist but why do we still have apes if they evolved into man?

Not to worry!

Scientist have a theory that... Human activity is severely disrupting almost all life on the planet, which surely doesn't help matters. The current rate of extinctions is, by some estimates, 10,000 times the average in the fossil record. At present, we may worry about snail darters and red squirrels in abstract terms. But the next statistic on the list could be us by...

1. Asteroid impact; 2. Gamma-ray burst; 3. Collapse of the vacuum; 4. Rogue black holes; 5. Giant solar flares; 6. Reversal of Earth's magnetic field; 7. Flood-basalt volcanism; 8. Global epidemics; 9. Global warming; 10. Ecosystem co